Bracken: A Scenario for the Second Civil War


MATTHEW BRACKEN is a former Navy SEAL (BUD/S Class 105), a Constitutionalist, and a self-described “freedomista”.  He’s the author of several books, including Enemies Foreign and Domestic.  This is the first part in a series of different author’s thoughts on the next civil war.  Here’s what Bracken sees as a potential scenario for the next American Civil War.


The Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights does not “grant” Americans the right to armed self-defense, it simply recognizes and affirms this God-given human right. The Constitution, including the Bill or Rights, is a very succinct document that was written in plain English intended to be fully understandable by ordinary citizens, requiring no interpretation by judges. Article III of the Constitution discusses the responsibilities, powers and limitations of the Judiciary, including the Supreme Court.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the Supreme Court is a super-legislature authorized to amend the Bill of Rights by a simple majority vote among its nine lifetime-appointed justices. In fact, Article III Section 2 explicitly grants to Congress the power to regulate which cases the Supreme Court may adjudicate at all. However, in the current political climate, with a toothless Congress abdicating its power to the Executive and Judicial branches, it is unlikely that the Supreme Court will be reined in and confined within its Constitutional limits.

My scenario for a second American civil war involves a Hillary Clinton victory in November 2016, followed in 2017 by the appointment of a Supreme Court justice politically to the left of Ruth Bader Ginsberg. The Second Amendment will then be gutted using a specious argument such as that the militia has “evolved” into the modern National Guard, meaning that there is no longer a right for private citizens to individually keep or bear arms. Liberal politicians and the collaborating liberal mainstream media will be in full-throated agreement with this false interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Subsequently, some states will ban semi-automatic pistols and rifles capable of taking a detachable magazine, meaning that nearly all semi-automatic firearms will become “illegal” with the stroke of a pen. Firearms confiscation raids against gun collectors and outspoken “Right to Keep and Bear Arms” activists will then take place with the intended purpose being to strike fear into holdouts. But instead of forcing gun owners into compliance, the confiscation raids will be the trigger for a new civil war.  There will be casualties among both citizens and law enforcement as these confiscation raids are increasingly met with armed resistance.

The First Amendment will likewise be gutted, using the argument that the “bitter clingers” who are still advocating the “obsolete” interpretation of the Second Amendment are supporting terrorism when they argue that law enforcement has no valid legal or moral reason to engage in gun confiscation raids. Freedom-oriented writers will declare that the federal government is in breach of contract with the people, because the rogue Supreme Court had no authority to unilaterally nullify key elements of the Bill of Rights.

Millions of Americans who still support the original interpretation of the Second Amendment will consider those who advocate the new interpretation to be traitors and domestic enemies of the Constitution. Writers who argue that the new interpretation of the Second Amendment is invalid, and that citizens are therefore morally justified in opposing the new gun laws by force of arms will be arrested for “inciting violence” and “encouraging terrorism.” Websites which promulgate these views will be banned and shut down.

At that point, with no other options available to oppose the emerging hard tyranny, a guerrilla insurgency will emerge, and some of those responsible for limiting the Bill of Rights will become victims of sniper attacks. Targeted individuals will include national politicians, prominent “journalists” and federal law enforcement personnel who vocally support or even simply enforce the new gun bans. These deadly sniper attacks will typically involve a single shooter firing a single shot from long range. Federal law enforcement will be given the impossible task of predicting who will become the next sniper from among scores of millions of Americans. Gun confiscation raids and arrests for “inciting violence” will escalate, and so will the retaliatory sniper attacks.

The start of Civil War Two will probably be pegged to the assassination of a prominent judge or politician who is held responsible by “constitutional originalists” for invalidating the First and Second Amendments. The new tyranny will not back down in the face of these sniper attacks, but will double down in its efforts to disarm the resistance. Arrests and disappearances of “constitutional extremists” will be countered with even more sniper attacks against key supporters of the new tyranny. Civil War Two could resemble the “Dirty War” in Argentina during the 1970s, with recalcitrant “constitutionalists” becoming the victims of secret government special-action units. It’s difficult to imagine the final outcome of an American “dirty civil war,” but it’s impossible to imagine the forces of tyranny successfully disarming the American people.

It’s well known that Switzerland has never been invaded by a foreign power, largely because of its national policy of providing adult male military reservists with modern battle rifles, which they keep at home for their entire lives. It’s less well understood that Switzerland has also never seen the emergence of a tyranny, and for the same reason: a would-be tyrant would not survive for long in Switzerland. Likewise, would-be tyrants in the United States might have a strong desire to disarm the American people, but any widespread attempts to do so will, at the very least, result in a prolonged and bloody dirty civil war.

“…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security….”

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Another possible scenario for Civil War II is if we go to war with Russia, China and Iran, and have an economic collapse. No doubt that our revolutionary militias have or would consider this an opportunity for a civil war. Considering that our military is already exhausted and spread too thin from our existing never-ending wars, it makes a civil war even more likely. Surely it’s the white elephant in the living room that can’t be ignored for long? For our government not to consider this before going to war with the above three countries would be the height of stupidity. In fact I’ll bet the Russians are already positioning themselves to support such a civil war. Putin may be a tyrant but he is not stupid.

There is no question that the biggest threat to peace (worldwide), our lives and our freedom is our federal government. Everything else is a distant second and only serves as a distraction.

As Dr. Paul has indicated we don’t need a federal government to survive and right now it is a cancerous limb we would be better served to have amputated.

The good news is we have a de facto secession going on. I hope the clock doesn’t run out on it because I sure would like to avoid all the bloodshed and grief of a civil war.

I would like to see Forward Observer some how battle tracking or creating a PIR in the Exec Intel Sum for civil war and likewise for secession.

    As energy supplies to the Central Command dwindle, the “superior” forces of the United States will be in command of the interior of their fenced Joint Bases/Posts, and not much more. Most effort will be to obtain and secure sufficient electrical power to run the post and liquid fuels to back up that outside supply. Gardening will become a critical task of the soldier. The “mission” will be Force Protection, and secondarily Continuity of Government. It will be difficult to get a base commander to burn limited fuel and risk personally-loyal staff to go on a multi-County snipe hunt to find out where a rifle bullet came from that ended up in the chest of a District Judge. “Let the locals handle it. ” will be the considered judgement of wise Federal officials hunkering down at secure undisclosed sites.

You made one very large mistake. The targets would be every Judge. Every Lawyer. Every “Law Enforcer”. The more repressive the government the more violent and widespread it would become. Family’s would be killed. The government would open “reeducation” camps. The children of gun owners and Christian’s who “refused” would be targets. What the left wants is a “hard” communist purge. No Matt , guns will be the least of it once it starts. It won’t be Pinocet’s takeover of Argentina. It will be Stalin’s Soviet. It won’t be isolated snipers ether. It will very quickly devolve into the “leaderless resistance” extermination of anyone involved in “government”, anyone not “your” color; “and their little dog too”. It will be a bloodbath, and it will last for decades with no clear winner. It will be exactly what the hard left and UN wants.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the sniper scenario. There are hundreds of thousands of long range shooters in the USA. The single bark and 1 less tyrant move on to the next one.

Wow, you are all living in a dream world. I don’t disagree that a civil war is possible, but it’s because of people like you that think in such extreme ways. Get a grip on reality folks and stop making everything an is vs them scenario. We are supposed to be a unified country and both extreme sides are tearing it apart.

    Jack says – We are supposed to be a unified country and both extreme sides are tearing it apart.

    The marxist are tearing the country apart. Good people walking out of political rallies and are spit upon and beaten while the police stand by and do nothing. Police are being denigrated and murdered by the same marxist. One of our presidential candidates broke many laws and the political system ignores her while it puts a sailor for a far lower offense in prison. Cities are burning because a thug with a gun is shot during a police chase. I could go on. All of the examples were perpetrated by one political organization. Our American democratic party has crossed the Rubicon of Marxism and we are supposed to be nice little sheep and march to the ovens they are preparing for us. Do you think they will allow the conservative Christian population to prosper in their utopia. If history is the guide many will not survive long after the marxist take complete control.

      It is not the Marxists destroying America as they pretty much dissolved years ago. There is however a new group of kids on the block who borrowed the Communist Playbook and have been diligently following it for over forty years. That playbook details a strategy for destroying the U.S. from the inside out, without firing a shot. They have pretty much achieved all of their objectives, having had many Presidents working for them, including their anointed replacement for Obama, Hillary Clinton. This new groups wants to crash the country, turn it into chaos and from the ashes build a new global utopia under a One World Government. For those doubting this, attached is a short video clip of Barack Obama speaking before the Bilderberg Group (A New World Order front org,). By the way, that is you and me Obama is talking about as not being smart enough to govern ourselves. Fellow patriots, things are rapidly coming to a head, so best be prepared.

        The Cloward–Piven strategy is one of the centerpiece political strategies being used by the so called progressives. Overwhelm the economic system with welfare state plans and collapse it onto itself. The progressives plan to garner complete control ans enter the NWO. The black lives matter movement is an islomomarxist movement. All of the unsavory political death cults have coalesed into a deadly mass and we are the targets. I am old school so I still call them marxisr/communist.

    Jack, better pull your head out of that proverbial spot where the sun doesn’t shine. We are way past the time of sitting around the campfire, holding hands and singing Kumbaya. We have not been a unified country for many years and the powers that be (NWO) planned it that way. If you cherish the thought of becoming a sheep and following the herd into a One World Government just keep thinking what you are, sitting on your hands and hoping the bad guys will go away. They won’t and unless I miss my guess, things are coming to a head and we will be soon fighting for our survival. You may choose to “go along to get along” but as for me, I will fight to the bloody end. Semper Fidelis.


    You need to wake up and smell the stench of Marxism. That is where this once great country is headed courtesy of the usurping moslem soetoro-obama and the scaliwags surrounding him. H. Klinton is a major Marxist. I believe she was the architect of the ’94 AWB. If ever there was a puppet in the White House it was Bill. Hillary was the quasi-POTUS.

    WTF, Jack? The Left is going to be bringing this fight to we the people! This is a hypothetical scenario. And, it is obvious that you are too cowardly to participate, so stay at home, and be the good little Tory!
    We won’t need, nor will we want, your slave-ass to help us defend the Constitution!!!

    It has been nice not knowing you jack. If you have nothing to fight for enjoy licking those boots

    So, Jack, what IS your definition of “is”

Based upon the loyal gun owners I know in California, pretty much to a man we are all in agreement that we are not going to comply with the recent spate of gun laws handed down by the governor. Therefore, Matt Bracken’s scenario of what happens when confiscation begins is not unrealistic, as I see it. However, I will add that engaging in a civil war without having a moral government ready to take over when it ends, will only invite an even worse tyrant to clamp down on anarchy. The continentals had the Continental Congress; the south had the government of Jefferson Davis in the first civil war. Who will emerge as a governing body in the second civil war? That is the 64 million dollar question.

Perhaps not for everyone, but my hope is that in this or similar scenario, Texas uses its Army, Guard and Air Force (yes we have our own Military) to close the borders and declare Texas Independence once again. We missed that chance during the first CW, we should not miss it again.
In fact, I believe a decentralization of government is what is needed. Each State having its own main government and a looser “League of States” made up of leaders from each state that meet on a regular basis or during times of emergent need.

    Most of the rest of the United States would be happy to have Texas leave the Union, and take Puerto Rico with it. The former is a zoo of egomaniacal nitwits that actually believe their state is of some value, brainwashes their offspring that Texas is a special place, and bullies its way around like a felonious alcoholic uncle at an otherwise reasonably harmonious family gathering. The real Texas state motto is, “Never have so many been so proud of so little.”

    Puerto Rico is a huge economic drain on the U. S. economy, now bankrupt, and seeking relief for its self-inflicted injuries. Name one significant positive thing that PR has contributed to the common good of the U.S. and win a prize. Why not give it to Russia and let them bear the burden of caring for this near worthless pile of soil?

      So which State do you inhabit? Texas has timber, oil, cattle, refineries, chemical plants and most of its highways are passable for commercial trucks.

      Calif. has the worst roads, followed by Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana and several others.

      We can still buy guns on any Sunday, but not liquor. Hmmmm….

      You poor thing, bless your heart. Jealousy doesn’t look good on you. Do some research on The Great State of Texas and get back to us. There’s a reason businesses are moving here night and day, leaving communist states and confiscatory taxes to make our state even better.

      As to PR, I couldn’t agree more.

      Dude. Kiss a third or more of your GDP goodbye if that happens.

      I swear, most of these idiots think they grow meat on trees and pull gasoline right out of the ground at the gas stations.

      Where is the fuel refined?

      Texas, Oklahoma, Louisianna, and Colorado, with a substantive bulk of it in Texas.

      Where is a substantive amount of your chemicals industry? Texas.

      Where is a substantive amount of your oil, your natural gas? TEXAS.

      The people claiming that they’re better off if we left are idiots, one and all, that haven’t a damn clue about anything in the world and only believe the lies told them by those Progessive demagogues they blindly believe to be telling them the truth

      The ‘Republic’ of Texas?Hell yes.But you can keep Puerto Rico.

    Out government was meant to be limited by the states. See the Article 1 Section 3. repeal the 17th Amendment. Further limits were placed on the Federal government by Article 1 Section 8. And then just to make sure, the states maintain their power, along with the people, see the 10th Amendment.

    We don’t need a new government at the end of a civil war, we need to return the Constitutional Republic we should be.

    Win the war, repeal the 17th. Then… well read the rest here;

    If TX were to secede, tens of thousands of trained vets and militia will head there to do it again!

      Good plan except you can’t join them with what you can carry on a plane. Out of staters headed to Texas will be pulled, checked, designated Terrorists and locked up. Count on it. Even removing your bumper stickers will not save you.

Matt, why would the Senate confirm someone like that for SCOTUS? This is related to a hot topic here in Washington state where Bloomberg started his recent “Universal background check(tm)” by initiative wave. A LOT of Washingtonians are very angry that NRA didn’t do more to stop i594 here, NRA at the time said it couldn’t afford to move money from the Senate races into initiative battles.
I hope the Senate is a hole in your scenario, I think we need some kind of backstop in case Clinton gets in.

I think the above scenario is quite plausible – however, these is yet another factor that is in play: The attacks upon religious freedom.

The left flat out does not believe in religious freedom – they believe in “freedom of worship”. This is not the same thing. freedom of worship simply means that the government will permit you to worship, in a house of worship. Outside of that building, religious believers are fair game. You can be forced to violate you beliefs of your faith, as long as the law is not aimed specifically at you. Sadly, SCOTUS has already ruled that this is the limit of constitutional protections. Hence the passage of the Religious Freedom Restoration ACT (RFRA). This can be repealed at any time.

Without it, all medical students could be compelled to perform at least one abortion, hospitals could be forced to provide abortion and birth control, ministers could be forced to perform same sex weddings (after all, government issues the license), Amish and Quakers could be forced to serve in the military. Home Bible studies could be banned as a violation of zoning regulations and military chaplains could be removed. Without real 1st Amendment protections, many, many other outrages would be possible.

If any future president were to repeal or ignore RFRA – there are many people who would be willing to fight and die to preserve their constitutional rights.

    The problem with the ruling is this:

    Without authority, they can’t rule.

    Things repugnant (in contravention of) the Constitution are Void. (See Marbury v. Madison…) The Supreme Court lacks the authority under the same to even RULE on such things.

    The First Amendment is EXPLICIT in that regard:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

    Anything other than true Freedom of Religion is in violation of the Constitution and since the Supreme Court CANNOT make law or interpret this stuff, LEGALLY, the decision there? VOID.

    I will not willingly or knowingly comply with a VOID order, ruling, or law. I am under no obligations to do so save by unlawful use of force by the government.

I just re-read “Enemies Foreign and Domestic” in light of the general atmosphere in this country and our current election cycle in particular. It was time well spent.

I believe Russia and China Will arm the American citizens in the near future civil war thats what I would do if I were Russia or China.

The U.S. has the largest civilian army on the planet bar none..
and that’s just the hunters.. many others have license to carry or just want to protect themselves or have fun at the local range..

But without a leader.. they are your local farmer or rancher.. some store owners who protect themselves.. or guys at the range.. they need leadership.. just a comment from a little bro to da North..
As a Canadian.. all I can say is IT is about to hit the fan.. think positive and PRAY for a good outcome..

    If the brown stuff hits the fan, there are many patriotic retired military leaders who would quickly step to the front and help organize the citizen militias. This is the leadership that will help defeat the enemy.

    We have leaders in our midst. I’m one. There’s others, thankfully.

      There are few people offering to lead. I have been over 2 years looking for militia or equivalent without success, Even those previously listed have been intimidated to hide with numbers now not working. Many that do exist spend time on preparing for survival. Don’t know of any actually preparing troops to work together to deter aggression. When it actually hits the fan, there will not be room for training. I fear we will get what the population deserves. I appreciate what you are attempting and hope, for all of us, that it works. Would love to speak with you sometime about choices.

        Randy, you sound like me – some 30 years ago. Good for you and me for looking. The difference is that now I better understand the truth of “Ask and you will receive . . .” , etc. Now I’m optimistic and for good reason.

        The cream of leadership will rise to the top. It won’t rise because of scholarship, promotions, seniority or money. Part of the good fight is to keep looking, Randy. I am not one of those leaders but I am fortunate I can keep looking with optimism and gratitude. I wish that for you. It will come.

        Over the years I occasionally have met that rare breed of leader. They may seem to be as rare as unicorns but they do exist; they are real. Consider the amazing Audie Murphy, arguably the bravest man in recorded history, and I can rest my case.

          When you say that I sound like you 30 years ago, that is not good because I am 70 now. I am healthy and would be a HUGE asset when SHTF but have no one to even watch my back. If we can’t get together and pay FLYNN to take up the flag and prepare for bleak times, we are in a lot of trouble.

        Randy, for some unknown reason I don’t have the option to reply to your last post so I’ll try here.

        Look at the huge response to Brakken’s article here. Multiply it by many times elsewhere. That’s the “ask and you shall receive” part I’m talking about. Don’t you think some potential leaders are taking note? As comfortable as that retirement armchair is, at some point that call for love of God, family and/ or country will win out – at least for those leaders we’d want to follow.

        Training is very important, I agree, but several other factors like, for example, the right motivation at the right time maybe even more important. Yes , a lot of American soldiers lives would have been saved with better training in World War II but even with that piss poor training against the vastly better experienced Wehrmacht we still won the war.

May God be with us all.

No worries , as Australians keep saying! Being a Russian, I assure you nobody will die in radioactive ashes. We have the sweet Life! The local shootings of judges and city riots are minuscule calamities compare to complete destruction of planet Earth! Despite the magnitude of fraud and spiritual wickedness in high places I truly believe in American people who will be victorious over the rogue agents in federal government, the criminal cartels, academic Marxists and corrupted politicians! America is my second Motherland and if time comes I stand by it defending Life, Liberty and POH!

A new twist has been added to the upcoming “election:
according to the Drudge report and the Washington Examiner, the DHS is preparing to “oversee” the election, supposedly because of concern about hackers attacking the election process.
This sounds like a perfect setup for controlling the outcome of the election, and the probability of Hillarity being “elected” POTUS increases IMHO. This, of course makes Matt Bracken’s story even more plausible.

Sorry; I meant to say; “this makes Matt Bracken’s proposed future scenario even more plausible”.

Hilary Clinton is gonna start the civil war because she wants to take the right to bare arms away from people so foreign invaders can attack the United states of America that is the truth and our country America will loose if she does that and people has to keep guns in there home from foreign invaders that is our last hope to keep the right to bare arms

What part of, will not be infringed opon, dosen’t the left understand? Anyone infringing on the constituion in any way, should be prosicuted.

I feel that this single act of confiscation of protection of our way of life will light the fuse that would cause the masses to revolt.
I also feel that the people that are willing to come and actually risk an armed confrontation at the demands of government are dame few. I believe that the first resistors will be the very people who are asked to carry this out. My experience is that they believe in our duty to protect our families and our country from this kind of tyranny. Many of the people in law enforcement feel just like you. These people see on a daily basis what having a way to protect yourself means to potential victims of crime. Conversely the community that wants to take my gun doesn’t have the intestinal fortitude to come and get it.
I have talked to some National Guard members that say they wouldn’t participate in a confiscation effort. The thought of confrontation with the American citizen is scary proposition at the very least! We must stay vigilant in the protection of right to bear arms according to the Constitution of the United States! Just my humble opinion. Thanks for watching out for our Freedom!

    I have Luke in my blood, and what better way to die, than in battle to fight for the protection of our families, our liberty, than of a blood cancer in the future (Mine is the slow kind), Much like Prostate cancer. it take about 20 years to do one in, exceptions of course).

None of this should be necessary. The military, the militias, the people should go to Washington D.C. and remove our current government. A military coup, an armed militia takeover, or millions of pissed off American citizens taking matters into their own hands is the way to go. This should of already happened. If you think congress is going to help you’re a moron. Plus these scenarios don’t require a civil war, they’re even legal. The military has sworn an oath that makes it their job to act. The militia and the people have a constitutional right to do so. We can take our country back without a shot being fired in each of these scenarios. Perhaps all three at the same time is the way to go.

I see local and state law enforcement as highly resistant to either seizing firearms from the people they serve or taking up arms against them. As such, enforcement would have to be done by the Feds, without the cooperation of local law enforcement. I also question as to whether a majority of the military would idly stand by and see their country turned into a shooting gallery. The government would have more success creating a “false flag” national emergency giving Hillary Clinton an excuse to declare draconian Martial Law. While that might work in phase 1 of resolving the immediate threat, I do not think it would work in Phase 2 of seizing all firearms. The powers that be (New World Order) have seriously underestimated the resolve, determination and willingness to fight of the millions of armed Americans. That will be their downfall taking all the lefties and liberals with them. Semper Fidelis to the men and women who serve as protectors of our country.

i dont think they will risk a long conflict, because of the population size and the weapons and everything mentioned, since the longer it lasts the less people will support the goverment its possible if they are able to maintain control of the military and external potential threats

Seems to me the best option if the military and external threats are solved, will be biological warfare to scare a large portion of the population wich will in turn make them walk into the concentration camps, after that chemical and drone war possibly nukes, the problem with biological warfare is the size of the territory so it will be impossible to justify an epidemic, and even if it spreads it will be very difficult to justify long term existence and security measures beyond some quarantines, so it will have to be fast.

Since none of this has been dealt with and most likely wont, at least in the near future, the best option seems to be to continue and create situations that will take away rights creating the biological warfare scenario little by little, like racial tension, shootings, crime, terrorism etc, anything that will centralize control and give police more power.

I’ll die on my feet as long before I’ll live on my knees. No way in hell me or my family will go down without a fight. Teach your wives and kids how to shoot effectively. Teach them how to survive off the grid. Join with other like minded patriots and veterans. Back in 1776, a group of pissed off farmers took on the greatest military the world had ever seen and kicked their ass back to England. Time to pick up the musket again boys and keep that tomahawk sharp….

Hilliary will drive gun manufacturers out of business you can have the right to bear atms, you just wont be able to fond anyone to make one in the US and will be unable to import them from other countries. Then she will make it obscenely expensive to purchase bullets – or make you register the bullets snd face greater scrutiny by the IRS as a result. That’s how she’ll do it.

This pretty much sums it up as how I see it playing out for reasons stated in the article!
I would only say that I for see it being far more detrimental for those who would attempt to oppress the citizens.
Good article.

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NORMAN; Your scenario is what the Mormon Prophet Joesph Smith stated would happen in the future. (“Prophecy, Key to the Future, By D Crowder)) I read it back in 1972, I just remember this, that two armies would be engaged in foreign wars, one would be defeated the other would be victorious, but severally weakened as would the nation, and the government would collapse due to financial issues. Regional governments would form, some would form a confederation (maybe for for a unified defense, my surmise).

While snipers would be effective, the real breaking point will come when the local police forces refuse the confiscation orders and stand with the legal gun owners. Then second point will be when the organized gangs in the inner city begin revolting against the law officers and the federal not local authorities try to send in military police this will increase the likely hood of an large scale armed revolt; especially when the gang members that have infiltrated the armed forces turn on their fellow solders. The third point will be when the military refuses to follow what the feel are unconstitutional and therefore illegal orders. This would deprive the Marxists the heavy weapons and aerial superiority they need to enforce their agenda.

I really enjoy reading Bracken; his earlier commentary about the globalists and Islamists vs nationalists really opened my eyes. That being said, I see no evidence that any patriots would rise up to defend the 2nd or the 1st Ammendments. The American public is weak, gutless, self-indulgent and most important, leaderless.

People underestimate the left. They would never try a door to door approach to confiscation. The best way they could do it is for them to force every gun owner to turn in the guns or they will lose all government benifits such as social security. Get the banks in on it and have them shut down gun owners bank accounts until all personal weapons are taken from that individual. They can cross check fbi records to see how many times they have checked you and they could reference if you have a ccw. Basically you and your family will be blacklisted from commerce until you comply. Sure there may be some hold outs but after a few months most will have to give up the good fight to get back in line with society. We may be doomed.

I have thought this all along but have not heard it described so well.

You make an interesting, and philosophically challenging point. What if there is a popular revolution inside the USA? I see a complete break-down of society into several groups: 1. Those who, in small groups, go forth and kill anyone whom they believe to be a betrayer of The American Way. This would include anyone with a “coexist” bumpersticker of course, but the groups would gain easy access to local voter registration lists and eliminate anyone who doesn’t vote their way. Government leaders, of course, would be immediately killed regardless of their security arrangements. Thus Option #1 produces at least 750,000 casualties. 2. “Ethnic Cleansing” of racial groups; Inner-city Blacks, Muslim Training Facilities in the several states, and other targeted groups otherwise unknowable now. This option will produce upwards of 1,500,000 casualties. #3, and the most interesting twist: Internecine fighting. Finally, #4. The general populace who just want to be left alone. All-in-all, I predict about 3,000,000 killed. Society, as we know it, will collapse into small fiefdoms ruled by a Strong-man (maybe by strong and wise Latina womyns, as they say). In any event, the good old USA will be shattered into many pieces, each piece barking and growling as dogs over a piece of rotting meat. And, pray tell, to whom do we owe our thanks for this? The Puppet Masters, of course, then the ignorant Electorate. Finis.

Point of order: the Second Amendment isn’t about self-defense. The right to self-defense predates and supersedes the Constitution. The Second Amendment is about a well-regulated militia, which requires the same small arms as professional forces in order to accomplish the missions of the militia. No mass of citizen-soldiers is going to defend the Constitution against a domestic tyrant commanding the Regular Army by using their handguns. The Minutemen who responded in April 1775 didn’t respond with their handguns. They used the closest arms they could get to military grade small arms. It’s important for us to be specific about what the Second Amendment protects because the right to self-defense does not lead logically to the creation and maintenance of an establishment of citizen-soldiers organized into combat units capable of defending the electorate and the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic.

Other than that, I appreciate your perspective. I think a well-regulated militia is necessary to avoid what you describe above, the most favorable outcome of which is a war of popular liberation yielding a forced change of government as happened in Rhodesia.

Thank you for this. Although, I think we’d be having a Revolutionary War – as opposed to a Civil War – I love that you are quoting the Single Most Important Document in the US, The Declaration of Independence. Let Freedom Reign (Ring).

When you realize that the left and it’s leaders want to exterminate everyone that disagrees with their agenda their actions begin to make sense. This has been going since the Immigration Act of 1965, no fault divorce, welfare, affirmative action, etc, with no end in site. They are very close to succeeding in creating a class of political dependents that outnumber and out vote those opposed to their rule. They view your extermination as a completely acceptable stepping stone to reaching their egalitarian utopia and they will not let anything get in their way. You have to be squared away now and have a support network now to get ready for what will happen with or without HC as POTUS.

I agree with all of the premise above. Now for the big question.Can Trump shut down this march to One World Order?

Without a Federal Police authorized, all they have is Homeland Security and they would have to do unless they used the U.N. to bring in third world thugs. The March to One World Order is so strong that I think our election WILL be thrown to Hillary no matter how the people vote. If so, the trigger should not be the start of confiscation but the appointments to the Supreme Court that will create cover for their actions. Where will our local police gravitate to in this scenario?

Not a Civil War…a Revolution against a democratic dictatorship.

Steve Polley people don’t show up because they don’t want to be seen as radical. Just by openly putting your opinion on this page puts you in danger of being put on the “radical list”. With my own words here, I’m being tracked by Obama’s and the Democrats enforcers. It might not be something you agree with and you probably think I’m being paranoid, but in this age of technology, list are being put together of people who are against The New World Order and times will get scary as more Democrats and RINO’s take their seats in our current government. If you think the Democrats are going to relinquish the strangle hold on our government then you must of been asleep during the last Presidential election. Obama did not win the election, he simply took it and the GOP representatives just let him. Money talks and our representatives are bought and paid for. They will do what ever they have to, to keep their Golden Parachutes and positions, even if that means going AGAINST what they were elected to represent. Our government agency are made up of Democrats and RINO’s . Plain and simple.

As a Vet of Big Army and not the SOF community I think you have this idea just about dead on. For the past 14 years we have been building a domestic Army the likes not seen since Roman times. As Vets came back home, many of us came back to an unrecognizable homeland, changed by Liberal policies and Politically correct BS, many of us realized the path we are on especially after spending time talking to Afghanis who fought against the Russians. Only thing I can tell people is figure out how to stop an M1 or an A10, cuz if not, your just wasting time and resources…

The described war will mostly be the government against the Americans of rural areas. Any metropolitan Conservative will immediately flee the cities and other liberal areas to the country. Taking advantage of the dis-unification, China will invade using container and cruise ships landing unopposed right in our harbors with troops and food supplies for those who surrender. The Chinese will not play games with any Islamists, moon bats or other enviro freaks.

    Braken has it absolutely right. The Government will attempt to break up rural opposition to their master plan that evolves around a few controllable cities. They need everybody under their economic control and removing weapons is the necessary first part of that.

    China part,I don’t know. I suspect UN troops to be more likely to go after the terrorists in the rural areas.

They won’t be going door to door as they’re too cowardly for that.

A lot of them will get killed if they try, and they know it.

Instead, everybody will receive a certified letter in the mail stating that you must turn your firearms and ammo in to the nearest law enforcement establishment and you will receive a tax voucher for $200 for each hand gun, $300 for each shotgun, $400 for each long gun, $100 for any amount of ammo or reloading products.

When you renew any license you will sign a document stating you possess no firearms.

When you enroll your child in a school you will sign that document.

The banks and the state and federal tax collectors will require you to sign that document.

When you try to get medical service or fill a prescription for medications you will sign that document.

The media will broadcast a message continuously that if you are caught with a firearm or supplies you will be incarcerated at hard labor for a period of no less than 10 years in a federal penitentiary.

The media will also run PSA’s that a reward of $1000 will be given to anyone providing direct information that leads to the conviction of all violators of the gun ban.

Your family and friends and neighbors will become Quislings and turn your ass in.

In 1 year the entire country will have become completely pussified and all of the honorable patriots will have been exterminated.

Criminals from top to bottom will reign supreme.

Almost like they have a check-off list… HOOYAH BRACK!

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened”. – Norman Thomas

The following goals are from “The Naked Communist:”
1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament would be a demonstration of moral strength.
2. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, and healthy.”
3. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Socialist/Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
4. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
5. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
6. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
7. Provide US aid to all nations regardless of Socialist/Communist domination.
8. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
9. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
10. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
11. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
12. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish RACIST aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
13. Grant recognition of Red China and admission to the UN.
14. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of promises in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under UN supervision.
15. Prolong conferences to ban atomic tests because US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
16. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the UN
17. Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. Note number of Communist/Socialist countries existing today
18. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Socialist/Communist Party.
19. Do away with all loyalty oaths. Note attempts to delete God in many.
20. Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office.
21. Infiltrate one or both political parties in the United States.
22. Use courts to weaken basic American institutions claiming activities violate civil rights.
23. Get control of the schools, teachers’ associations and textbooks. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum.
24. Gain control of student newspapers.
25. US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
26. US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
27. Use students to foment public protests against programs, individuals or organizations under Communist/Socialist attack. Chief of Police not being able to talk about “stop & frisk” Q&A.
28. Infiltrate press, book-review assignments, editorial writing, and policymaking positions.
29. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
30. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. “Eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.” Note all the weird shapes all over nation.
31. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.” Remember Christ in urine piece?
32. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.”
33. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, health care, etc.
34. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Socialist/Communist apparatus.
35. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
36. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. Check backgrounds of leaders.
38. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. Check backgrounds of founders.
39. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]. Check out “civilian” police force. See DHS on this.
40. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Socialist/Communist goals.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. “Need a village to raise children.” Clinton
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use “united force” to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal. Carter gave Canal away.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the US cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

Civil war will involve armed people preying on the unarmed, and then preying on each other.

Between obammy, Clinton Bloomberg and Soros with so many unknown supporters to disarm us as a populace, it will be a protracted civil war.
Even if Trump wins, we must not let our gaurd down because Clinton & Soros just won’t go away .

With apologies to Braken, Unintended Consequences is the most important book to set the mood for where we are today.

I suggest that Braken pick up on it and write a sequel to it since apparently the original author was to stupid to understand the huge number of people waiting for an update.

Braken said he could not reach me for some reason, I can be notified of friend attempt on Facebook.

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